HONDA'S NEW ABS

[importsdigest]

I was looking at some of the '09 hondas and noticed they have began offering anit-lock brakes for $1000 more. I was wondering if that would prevent a stoppie, or would it allow for a more controlled stoppie? Whats your experience?

[TOM-CAT]

ABS will have zero effect on the ability to perform a stoppie, or the ease with which you can perform one.

If a rider locks up the front wheel attempting to perform a stoppie, they are doing it all wrong!

The 'trick' to a stoppie is the smooth increasing application of the front break, to transfer all of the weight to the front tire. If done correctly, or even just close to correctly, the front wheel is never going to lock up. So ABS would never come into play.

:2cents:

[MA$TER_E]

Sounds logical to me...

[HazzMatt]

Well, maybe the honda ABS is different.

On my Suzuki SV650, the ABS does prevent a stoppie, which in my opinion is good. If you wanted to stunt, you could pop the ABS fuse, and have normal brakes.

My ABS has a front and rear wheel speed sensor. The computer is able to determine difference in wheel speed when the rear is lifted. It will detect that the rear is slowing at a different rate than the front once it pops just a bit in the air (like .5"), and activate front ABS on the front, so you never complete the "lift" portion of a stoppie. Perhaps it is possible to find some way to brake ever so slightly with the rear, such that it is slowing down synchronous to the front, even while the rear is in the air..but this would be extremely difficult, and if you messed it up at any point and ABS picks up the difference, it'd kick in ABS, and you could have a dropped stoppie very quickly.

So anyways..no stoppies with my ABS.

[MA$TER_E]

Oh crap... That sounds logical too...


I didn't think about both wheels being tied together by the same ABS system.


This is very interesting...


:thinking:

[TOM-CAT]

HazzMatt, thanks for the info, I was not aware of the system you were describing. My experience with ABS has been limited to independent wheel sensors. If the Hondas are similar to the system you described on your SV, then I can only imagine you are 100% correct about no stoppies.

Tying the computer into both wheels can have some negative consequences when the tire sizes are changed, due to wear or replacement with non-standard size tires. That has been the case with the traction controll on my car, when I upsized the front tires to increase vehicle rotation on the track. The car has to be driven for about a mile before it can recalibrate the difference in tire sizes around the car, otherwise the traction controll cuts in prematurely.

So hopefully Honda did their homework, one way or another.

:2cents:

[importsdigest]

thanx, ill do more research and find out.