WEAR YOUR F'n GEAR!!! This is a rant. Don't read it if you are easily offended.

[DrDuc]

I cannot believe the number of people that I'm seeing riding in shorts, wife-beater shirts, no gloves, jeans, tennis shoes, and so on. Topping it off is the stupidity of allowing passengers to do the same. You're obviously twits from the shallow end of the gene pool, but it's starting to piss me off to the point that I'm having a really hard time not pulling these people off the road and beating them senseless. I wonder if I can plead justifiable homicide if I can prove that I sincerely believe that these idiots pose a serious threat to the health and well-being of their passengers?

[Flyte Risk]

Don't hold back Dale, tell us how you really feel.

[nelson]

I cannot believe the number of people that I'm seeing riding in shorts, wife-beater shirts, no gloves, jeans, tennis shoes, and so on. Topping it off is the stupidity of allowing passengers to do the same. You're obviously twits from the shallow end of the gene pool, but it's starting to piss me off to the point that I'm having a really hard time not pulling these people off the road and beating them senseless. I wonder if I can plead justifiable homicide if I can prove that I sincerely believe that these idiots pose a serious threat to the health and well-being of their passengers?


why are you letting this get to you. I never understood these threads about atgatt. If a person wants roadrash let them dig their own hole. How does someone wearing shorts directly effect you?

[Flyte Risk]

Other then directly affecting my insurance rate? Or maybe when I'm leaving a Quizno's in McMinnville having to EMT's seeing myself adn a friend in full gear ask us which way we were heading because they want to make sure we were leaving their service area? How about when you're one of the first to the scene and you're stuck helping calm him and render first aid knowing he may die from his injuries when if he was wearing gear he would have walked away.

If you've never had to deal with the direct consequences you have no room to say anything.

[lobes]

I agree to this fully and to add it is usually those people who cruise along in my blind spots when they have plenty of room to get out of them.

BTW at work I drive a extended size cargo van with no side/back windows.

[Jane Honda]

why are you letting this get to you. I never understood these threads about atgatt. If a person wants roadrash let them dig their own hole. How does someone wearing shorts directly effect you?


First of all, wtf is an atgatt? :impaired:


Second of all, go ahead and not wear your gear. Just give us fair warning where you will be riding, so we can make sure we DON'T go that route.


This is coming from a man that knows what its like to be injured, and myself that was once dumb enough to go for a ride without gear. When you take a passenger, you are DIRECTLY responsible for the well being of that person. I think gear should be a law, like helmets. I wish I would have had gear on, and I feel sorry for those families and people out on the freeway that saw my bare and bleeding ass stumbling to the side of the road when I had my accident.

If you want to support those who choose not to wear gear, then go somewhere else, princess.

[MA$TER_E]

You're obviously twits from the shallow end of the gene pool, but it's starting to piss me off to the point that I'm having a really hard time not pulling these people off the road and beating them senseless.

:rad:

You rock!

If I ever come around a corner and see a squid having the life throttled out of him I'll be sure to stop and give you a hand :yes: Remember... Lift with your legs not your back. And a helmet makes for a good weapon...

[nelson]

First of all, wtf is an atgatt? :impaired:


Second of all, go ahead and not wear your gear. Just give us fair warning where you will be riding, so we can make sure we DON'T go that route.


This is coming from a man that knows what its like to be injured, and myself that was once dumb enough to go for a ride without gear. When you take a passenger, you are DIRECTLY responsible for the well being of that person. I think gear should be a law, like helmets. I wish I would have had gear on, and I feel sorry for those families and people out on the freeway that saw my bare and bleeding ass stumbling to the side of the road when I had my accident.

If you want to support those who choose not to wear gear, then go somewhere else, princess.

What is your deal Jane. Why are you so quick to bash on me.? I said simply that people shouldn't worry so much about what other people wear. How does it effect your riding if I choose to wear a t-shirt instead of a jacket. Makes no sense. I am atgatt = all the gear all the time but I do not come down on those who choose their own riding style. I make suggestions, but really, I don't stress out on it. If it is someone who I have close relations with, I will hound them, but I won't raise my blood pressure over those who choose to live dangerously.

[Flyte Risk]

You, sir, have never been directly affected by a friends or fellow riders lack of gear. Pleased to STFU now.

[Jane Honda]

What is your deal Jane. Why are you so quick to bash on me.? I said simply that people shouldn't worry so much about what other people wear. How does it effect your riding if I choose to wear a t-shirt instead of a jacket. Makes no sense. I am atgatt = all the gear all the time but I do not come down on those who choose their own riding style. I make suggestions, but really, I don't stress out on it. If it is someone who I have close relations with, I will hound them, but I won't raise my blood pressure over those who choose to live dangerously.


You are my deal. OK? It doesn't affect my riding if you don't wear gear. I just won't ride with you. Simple as that. What we are trying to get at, is, why force our injuries that could be prevented on other people and perhaps ruin their day because of a simple choice in wearing gear?

If someone is dumb enough to not wear gear, then let their genes be taken out of the gene pool. Just not on my ride.

I am not being hypocritical either. I learned from my mistake. I will tell someone to wear their gear, and I have written my story. I have had people I don't even know come up to me and thank me for inspiring them to spend the money to buy gear. If they want to use the excuse about the money factor, I will let them look at my doctor and hospital total for the 6 weeks I was there. What do you think they would rather spend? $1000 on good leathers, or $1,000,000 in doctor bills and a life time of pain and the possibility of giving someone else nightmares and making a bad name for the rest of us?

[MA$TER_E]

dude...
:admin


:ohthedrama:

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

[NinjaKitty]

:( My brother was in acoma. The one who packed me on his bike before...When you see your parents agonize and pray he makes it out.
Whats wrong with being a dumbass ? Let me see. Its dumbasses who the rest of us end up paying for in one way or another.

Whats wrong ? Lets see. Medical insurance gets hiked...Others who had nothing to do with it gets traumatized. Need I go on ? Seriously, pride before the fall..Rings a bell ? PP :confused: :popcorn:

[YAMR6]

:plusone: to the Doc, Jane and Flyte!:thumbup:

I seen so many girls in the last couple days flying down the road on the back of a bike with a shirt on that could hardly keep in their boobs let alone protect them from a road. No puns intended!!

Nelson, look at it this way.

If you had a friend hooked to drugs are you not going to try to make a difference and save their life or save them from hurting their body any more then they have already? I'm sure you have the empathy for that.

These people are showing their true compassion for others. Yes I agree, let those dumba$$ people clean themself off the face of the earth but tough love is better then no love. I say beat the crap out of them!!!!! If they still didn't learn....let them destroy their life.

[MA$TER_E]

I agree with DrDuc... With gas getting nothing but more expensive I'm seeing more and more bikes on the road. More than in the short time I've been riding have ever seen before... Hell we are working on expanding the motorcycle parking area where I work simply because there is not enough room for all of them...

Unfortunately, many people get that new fancy scooter, cruiser, or sportbike and a helmet and thats it...

My pitiful little dump at 20mph in front of my old house made my life a real pain in the ass for about a month... I had a helmet pants, sweatshirt, and tennis shoes... Thats it... I cringe at the thought of some of these guys cruising down 205 in flip-flops, shorts, wife beater, and helmet... Dude if you hit the pavement doing freeway speed you are FU*KED!!!

My buddy at work has a simple and powerful statement I like...

Leathers are cheaper than skin grafts...

That is all...

[NinjaKitty]

:plusone: to the Doc, Jane and Flyte!:thumbup:

I seen so many girls in the last couple days flying down the road on the back of a bike with a shirt on that could hardly keep in their boobs let alone protect them from a road. No puns intended!!

Nelson, look at it this way.

If you had a friend hooked to drugs are you not going to try to make a difference and save their life or save them from hurting their body any more then they have already? I'm sure you have the empathy for that.

These people are showing their true compassion for others. Yes I agree, let those dumba$$ people clean themself off the face of the earth but tough love is better then no love. I say beat the crap out of them!!!!! If they still didn't learn....let them destroy their life.


:plusone: You said it Bro. I'm glad there are still some people left in this world who is willing to care and warn others like Flyte,Jane, Dr. Lobes,Yam Ma$terE

Just sorry never had the chance to ride with you guys yet...but will soon :thumbup:

[nelson]

:plusone: to the Doc, Jane and Flyte!:thumbup:

I seen so many girls in the last couple days flying down the road on the back of a bike with a shirt on that could hardly keep in their boobs let alone protect them from a road. No puns intended!!

Nelson, look at it this way.

If you had a friend hooked to drugs are you not going to try to make a difference and save their life or save them from hurting their body any more then they have already? I'm sure you have the empathy for that.

These people are showing their true compassion for others. Yes I agree, let those dumba$$ people clean themself off the face of the earth but tough love is better then no love. I say beat the crap out of them!!!!! If they still didn't learn....let them destroy their life.

I totally understand what we are all saying but what is the difference of someone wearing a t-shirt compared to someone showing a pic of his gps stating he went 160mph. Where is the preaching there??? How is it safe to go that speed on public streets wearing all leathers than going 60 wearing a t-shirt.? I am agreeing with it being an unsafe thing to do I was just saying why stress over those who knowingly choose to wear no gear as well as those who choose to ride a wheelie down i-5, do burnouts in a parking lot, go 125 around a 40 mph corner. We all take risks. why get all bent out of shape and get mad at those who choose to be stupid. This is just my opinion. I don't see why Jane and Flyte are persecuting me for having an opinion...on a forum...I thought that is what these are meant for. to hear different opinions and to learn from those who have more experience. So now in a sense newbies are reading this and learning that there are some old salt bikers who will KICK THEIR ASS for not wearing leather pants.

[Jane Honda]

For the record. I didn't see the picture of someone doing 160 mph?!? Where is that at? That is another thing I personally, do not condone. Second of all, go ahead and have your opinion. We also do not condone riding without gear.

I know, if I were to come upon a wreck and the rider(s) weren't wearing gear and had smeared themselves all over the road, I would feel obligated to get out of my car, call for help, and to try and help in any way possible until medical personnel arrive. If I had my kids with me, what are they going to see? They are going to see people guts. I don't want them to see that. I don't want to teach them that it's ok to pass someone up that needs help.

[nelson]

For the record. I didn't see the picture of someone doing 160 mph?!? Where is that at? That is another thing I personally, do not condone. Second of all, go ahead and have your opinion. We also do not condone riding without gear.

I know, if I were to come upon a wreck and the rider(s) weren't wearing gear and had smeared themselves all over the road, I would feel obligated to get out of my car, call for help, and to try and help in any way possible until medical personnel arrive. If I had my kids with me, what are they going to see? They are going to see people guts. I don't want them to see that. I don't want to teach them that it's ok to pass someone up that needs help.

ripplebrook post # 107 a pic of a gps reading max 160mph a ride that Flyte was on with fellow osb'ers

[Jane Honda]

ripplebrook post # 107 a pic of a gps reading max 160mph a ride that Flyte was on with fellow osb'ers


At least they are geared up, and he said it wasn't intentional. Not gearing up is intentional.


People go down on the track all the time, and they walk away because of their gear at much higher speeds.

[MA$TER_E]

Nelson how much money do you make in a year?

Would you be able to make ends meet if you couldn't work for two whole months?

I know nothing about you and I'm asking these things as a fellow rider...

Do you have kids? A girl?

Would they be able to take care of you for two months?

What if you could never walk again? or worse?

Thats the point many of us are trying to make. If Tim wants to flex his awesome zx14 balls and do 160 then good for him. You'll notice he's not in the conversation talking up gear... He knows the danger but he's also dressed for the occasion... I'd rather slide down the road at 160 in leathers than without wouldn't you agree? In no way do I think doing 160 or hell 100 for that matter is a good thing on a public road. But lets get back to the original point...

What about the things that matter to you?

Wouldn't you want to protect them?

Just some food for thought. Like I said I don't know you and you don't know me. I'm just providing some "wisdom" Take it for what its worth...

[nelson]

At least they are geared up, and he said it wasn't intentional. Not gearing up is intentional.


People go down on the track all the time, and they walk away because of their gear at much higher speeds.

C'mon have you ever simply accidently gone 160mph??? He was no doubt racing someone at some point. As you know I ride a busa. I have had it up to 150 on an airstrip. There is no doubt in my mind you KNOW you are going that fast. The difference from 120mph to 150 is night and day. You ma'am are making excuses for his unsafe riding tactics...talk about pot calling kettle.

[nelson]

Nelson how much money do you make in a year?

Would you be able to make ends meet if you couldn't work for two whole months?

I know nothing about you and I'm asking these things as a fellow rider...

Do you have kids? A girl?

Would they be able to take care of you for two months?

What if you could never walk again? or worse?

Thats the point many of us are trying to make. If Tim wants to flex his awesome zx14 balls and do 160 then good for him. You'll notice he's not in the conversation talking up gear... He knows the danger but he's also dressed for the occasion... I'd rather slide down the road at 160 in leathers than without wouldn't you agree? In no way do I think doing 160 or hell 100 for that matter is a good thing on a public road. But lets get back to the original point...

What about the things that matter to you?

Wouldn't you want to protect them?

Just some food for thought. Like I said I don't know you and you don't know me. I'm just providing some "wisdom" Take it for what its worth...

You are preacher talking to the choir. Dude I know about wearing gear. I wear gear. I was just stating that people should not get mad at those people who choose to not wear gear. A body flipping down the hwy at 160 with or without gear is instant death. If not a car a tree or some road obstacle will take you out. So in my OPINION going 160 in an uncontrolled enviroment is as stupid as riding with shorts on. But I will not " BEAT HIS ASS" because he wants to " flex the steal" of the zx-14. I will call him crazy and walk away.

[NinjaKitty]

C'mon have you ever simply accidently gone 160mph??? He was no doubt racing someone at some point. As you know I ride a busa. I have had it up to 150 on an airstrip. There is no doubt in my mind you KNOW you are going that fast. The difference from 120mph to 150 is night and day. You ma'am are making excuses for his unsafe riding tactics...talk about pot calling kettle.

do you know it was Flyte's gps ?

GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.I know his bike. I know Brian's and I know Tim's.
I don't see anyone condoning anything. But you are on thin ice when you point fingers...I'd be carefull dude..Seriously..Can you agree on the basics and just drop the rest of the petty stuff ? Its in the past right now.But what you embark on with pointing fingers will just open a can of worms that no one wants.
:( This is where I am saying it friendly. Abort.:(

[nelson]

do you know it was Flyte's gps ?

GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.I know his bike. I know Brian's and I know Tim's.
I don't see anyone condoning anything. But you are on thin ice when you point fingers...I'd be carefull dude..Seriously..Can you agree on the basics and just drop the rest of the petty stuff ? Its in the past right now.But what you embark on with pointing fingers will just open a can of worms that no one wants.
:( This is where I am saying it friendly. Abort.:(

ok I give up:confused:

[tdekeyser1]

Yeah....it actually was a mistake to go 160. I was totally suprized because I did NOT intend to go that fast. I was NOT racing anyone, but opening the throttle on a 200HP ZX14 can get speed up real quick. I was fully geared up and was paying VERY close attention to what we were doing. We stood out on that road for 20 min and saw 1 car. It was totally straight and the rush lasted a few seconds. The last time I saw a speed that high was 10 years ago. I don't condone it either. The post was to show how dangerous big bikes can be and how quick they can get you in to trouble. Even me at 30+ years of riding and 42 sportbikes...I still have to respect the throttle.

I'm not in this conversation.....just wanted to make the record straight... :bowtie-guy:

[NinjaKitty]

Yeah....it actually was a mistake to go 160. I was totally suprized because I did NOT intend to go that fast. I was NOT racing anyone, but opening the throttle on a 200HP ZX14 can get speed up real quick. I was fully geared up and was paying VERY close attention to what we were doing. We stood out on that road for 20 min and saw 1 car. It was totally straight and the rush lasted a few seconds. The last time I saw a spped that high was 10 years ago. I don't condone it either. The post was to show how dangerus big bikes can be and how quick they can get you in to trouble. Even me at 30+ years of riding and 42 sportbikes...I still have to respect the throttle.

I'm not in this conversation.....just wanted to make the record straight... :bowtie-guy:


:haha: I knew that gps looked familar..lol.Looks just like ours just different color..:yes: And I know I don't got the power on my bike to fly that fast...:lol: I'd be lucky to get it to 150...That without having a heartattack to boot..lol.:wave Hi Tim

[tdekeyser1]

PS> I took down the pic... I kinda agree it shouldn't be posted. Be careful everyone....

[NinjaKitty]

PS> I took down the pic... I kinda agree it shouldn't be posted. Be careful everyone....

Smart Grasshopper..:yes: :haha: :thumbup: :smilewink:

[Flyte Risk]

PS> I took down the pic... I kinda agree it shouldn't be posted. Be careful everyone....
Screw that . You should have left it up as a reminder as to how fast you can get over your head.

Yeah, I did a buck 40. Wrapped in dead cow tip to toe. I routinely do 130+ mph when I attend the drags at PIR. Call me what you want but I learned the hard way almost 2 years ago about gear. It's possible that my armored leather pants may have saved me from breaking my leg or at least lessened my injuries.

Again Nellie, you've never had to play medic so you have no room to talk about lack of gear.

[nelson]

[QUOTE=Flyte Risk;90751]

Again Nellie, you've never had to play medic so you have no room to talk about lack of gear.[/QUOTE

Ok I am confused... No I have never played medic but can you honestly try to tell me that YOU are a responsible rider because you wear gear??? Every bike night picture I have seen of you, you have a beer in your hand. Then get on a bike. I have played cop for four years and I can tell you that the sights I have seen were the driver thats over the legal limit walks while we cover the family of four in sheets proves to me that stressing over simple gear issues is a waste of time. you all need to zip out of the " holier than thou" suits and take a look at what you are REALLY about before slammin someone just because it makes you look cool. Quite frankly all you band wagon jumpers need to realize the image you portray before get your panties in a bind over gear. Just look at all the other sites...this topic is played out. But how many topics are there about meeting at a bar on bike night getting drunk then ride....Or riding 160 mph because I don't know the potential of my hopped up 200hp super cruiser. Yeah lets jump all over the one guy who has absolutely NO EFFECT on your ability to ride but forget the ones who have the potential to kill.

[MA$TER_E]

:ohthedrama:
This sh*t is leaving an awesome impression... :vomit:

Should we just create a thread where nelson can argue with everyone and preach about everything? He truly is a word smith with an analogy and gospel word for every possible situation in life... We could all learn from his awesome ability to never give up :thumbup: It's ok to not always have the last word nelson... We get it; just ease up before you piss some admin's off and get banned...

We are so:offtopic:

Sorry for jacking your thread Dr :bow:
:threadjack

[DrDuc]

why are you letting this get to you. I never understood these threads about atgatt. If a person wants roadrash let them dig their own hole. How does someone wearing shorts directly effect you?

It directly affects each and every one of us when one of them gets hurt because the hospitals have to care for them whether they have insurance or not. When they don't have insurance, the costs get passed on to those of us that do. When they do have insurance, it increases the costs associated with their claims and that hurts those of us buying insurance. When one of these twits gets hurt so bad that they can't return to work, we all have to pay for it. I can go on and on about how it affects each and every one of us. You're in a deep state of ignorance or denial if you don't get that.

[NinjaKitty]

+1..Thats what I mean and thats just the financial side of things.

[MA$TER_E]

:plusone: wurd...

[Jane Honda]

[quote=Flyte Risk;90751]

Again Nellie, you've never had to play medic so you have no room to talk about lack of gear.[/QUOTE

Ok I am confused... No I have never played medic but can you honestly try to tell me that YOU are a responsible rider because you wear gear??? Every bike night picture I have seen of you, you have a beer in your hand. Then get on a bike. I have played cop for four years and I can tell you that the sights I have seen were the driver thats over the legal limit walks while we cover the family of four in sheets proves to me that stressing over simple gear issues is a waste of time. you all need to zip out of the " holier than thou" suits and take a look at what you are REALLY about before slammin someone just because it makes you look cool. Quite frankly all you band wagon jumpers need to realize the image you portray before get your panties in a bind over gear. Just look at all the other sites...this topic is played out. But how many topics are there about meeting at a bar on bike night getting drunk then ride....Or riding 160 mph because I don't know the potential of my hopped up 200hp super cruiser. Yeah lets jump all over the one guy who has absolutely NO EFFECT on your ability to ride but forget the ones who have the potential to kill.

Nelson, now your just fishing. I know for a fact that man never gets on a bike and rides after a beer. He usually has someone drive him. Get over yourself.

[Nicegy525]

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[NinjaKitty]

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:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Nicegy525]

For the record, I respect a person's right to choose what they do and do not wear, but NO ONE will come on one of my rides with anything less than jacket, gloves and helmet. and if they do, they will kindly be asked to go home and put a jacket on.

However, if its not my ride, I wont say a word untill their behavior puts themselves or someone else in danger. Ive learned its best to simply take the aside and explain the situtaion instead of calling them out in front of the whole group and embarrassing them.

[orion15220]

:idunno: This sounds familiar!!! maybe when I'm leaving a Quizno's in McMinnville having to EMT's seeing myself adn a friend in full gear ask us which way we were heading because they want to make sure we were leaving their service area?

[Jane Honda]

:idunno: This sounds familiar!!! maybe when I'm leaving a Quizno's in McMinnville having to EMT's seeing myself adn a friend in full gear ask us which way we were heading because they want to make sure we were leaving their service area?



I remember that.

[orion15220]

:laughing: And I still wear the same damn red suit today so they could find me if they needed to. But in the same since ever since the first ride with flyte and jane with the comments from the paramedics I would never trust my skin to anything else. I would rather bake in full leathers on a hot day then wear a hosipital gown for weeks!!!

[BadRepp66]

Wearing the street protection, just like I do on the dirt. I do believe in freedom of choice but some choices simply DO NOT make sense.

[Flyte Risk]

Nelson, now your just fishing. I know for a fact that man never gets on a bike and rides after a beer. He usually has someone drive him. Get over yourself.

No Jane he's right. I've been known to have a beer or two over the course of the 4 hours (average) that we're there. However thats AT MOST one per hour average. Hardly enough to call me drunk. I'm going to give him credit for that post though. It was a truely vallient attempt at diverting the attention away from him.

The fact remains that he's never been on the scene of a serious accident involving a fellow rider. He's never had a friend or family member hospitalized and traumatized in a severa accident when they weren't wearing gear. He's got no room to say anything here and needs to grab a nice big glass of STFU rather then grab at straws trying to make someone else look bad.

Personal Message to Nellie

I'm a bit old for the schoolyard crap. If you have an issue with me then PM me, email me or challange me to a fight at the bike racks. The kiddy attacks at me are not getting you very far.

[Willixer600]

Sooo.. How about them ducks???

Im constanley shaking my head at other motards that ride only wearing shorts/shirts/flip flops... Its crazy!!! But.. It's there choice... Same thing with people who drive and dont wear seat belts. Sometimes they just have to learn the hard way when there not going to listen to anyone.:idunno:

[NinjaKitty]

But Flyte, you gotta remember by the way he asnwers.That maybe all he knows. His biggest brawl here so far has been with women..You wouldn't want to hurt his wittle feelings now..:haha:

[lobes]

Sooo.. How about them ducks???

Im constanley shaking my head at other motards that ride only wearing shorts/shirts/flip flops... Its crazy!!! But.. It's there choice... Same thing with people who drive and dont wear seat belts. Sometimes they just have to learn the hard way when there not going to listen to anyone.:idunno:


Thats not really a fair comparison since it is illegal to not wear a seatbelt but it is legal to be a squid.

[MA$TER_E]

Thats not really a fair comparison since it is illegal to not wear a seatbelt but it is legal to be a squid.


Its official then... Nuke'em! That'll solve everything :haha:

:lol::lol::lol:

[orion15220]

+1 :rad:

[Flyte Risk]

Nancy asked it in another thread and appropriately a mod told her it wasn't the place but the question absolutely fits here.

So tell me Nelson, when you take your kids out on the bike with you for whatever reason do they wear gear?

[Jane Honda]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v432/spiritcreekmountain/giveadamn.jpg

[nelson]

Nancy asked it in another thread and appropriately a mod told her it wasn't the place but the question absolutely fits here.

So tell me Nelson, when you take your kids out on the bike with you for whatever reason do they wear gear?

yes full leather, helmet and ankle high boots....next question?? but you know so much about Flyte, you should have known that.

[nelson]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v432/spiritcreekmountain/giveadamn.jpg


This was an expected response

[Jane Honda]

Can you try and make a little more sense, please?

[Jane Honda]

This was an expected response



Oh, thats right. You know everything about us, and how we think. All hail the ever impressive nelson.:moon:

[Flyte Risk]

yes full leather, helmet and ankle high boots....next question?? but you know so much about Flyte, you should have known that.
So you're saying that when you went to pick up your daughter at schoold she was wearing full gear? I'm impressed dude, thats hardcore making your kids wear full gear to school on the off chance that you may follow through with her request to pick her up on the bike. You're an awesome dad.

[orion15220]

:popcorn: :ohthedrama:

[nelson]

No Jane he's right.

He's got no room to say anything here and needs to grab a nice big glass of STFU.

Personal Message to Nellie

I'm a bit old for the schoolyard crap. If you have an issue with me then PM me, email me or challange me to a fight at the bike racks. The kiddy attacks at me are not getting you very far.

too old for school yard crap eh?? So that explains the constant changing of my profile. The obscene messages you or another moderator puts on my profile? That isn't actions of an elementary school kid? I beg to differ. Instead of vadalizing my profile why don't YOU pm me and tell me what issues you have with me. No one has done it yet. But it appears I am constantly bashing the women on here. Whatever! Show me how I am any different that what anyone else has said on this site. Just admit it. the only difference between me and anyone else on here is that I live too far away to be readily available to meet you all on bike nights. Therefore I am unkown and not allowed to participate in the constant harassing we all do on this site. And as far as your request to challenge you to a fight??? wow that was a mature response flyte, I am already getting my e-azz kicked I don't think I could generate enough energy to be able to fight off the members of OSB in person.

[nelson]

So you're saying that when you went to pick up your daughter at schoold she was wearing full gear? I'm impressed dude, thats hardcore making your kids wear full gear to school on the off chance that you may follow through with her request to pick her up on the bike. You're an awesome dad.

thanks i think I am an awesome father. The school thing never did go through, but I did have her leathers strapped to the rear seat of the bike along with the helmet locked under the seat. She wore the ankle high boots and her gloves were in her back pack. next question??

[nelson]

Oh, thats right. You know everything about us, and how we think. All hail the ever impressive nelson.:moon:

gee jane it doesn't take a genious to figure out that you tend to insult when someone steps up to say what everyone else thinks

[orion15220]

:idunno: well damn I think I need to take my feathers to another site without so much whinning I almost dont have enough cheese for my self. CAN'T WE ALL JUST BE FREINDS????:mecry:

[orion15220]

I'm just a :saddict "not to change the subject"

[nelson]

Another thing that is impressive is that all other threads are dead. Just Jane and Flyte bashing me. How entertaining. Everyone else is PROBABLY just sitting back watching the show...:popcorn:

[orion15220]

:laughing: :haha: hey its funny down south

[NinjaKitty]

Well, let me see ...I Q anyone ? While we are on the topic of internet. I will say that I'm far from computer smart. But, I learnt the hard way.That you can't take anything too serious., But, you have show respect no matter you like it or not. If you agree or not is not the point. Its called manner's.

We are guess of this site's owner. There is etique. While I'm not miss manner's. I will say that what stopped you from pming them and asking what the situation was ? You throw it on the people . Finger pointing only fuels the fire.

[orion15220]

:crazy: Only takes one "CORN HOLE" to make it interesting

[nelson]

Well, let me see ...I Q anyone ? While we are on the topic of internet. I will say that I'm far from computer smart. But, I learnt the hard way.That you can't take anything too serious., But, you have show repsect no matter you like it or not. If you agree or not is not the point. Its called manner's.

We are guess of this site's owner. There is etique. While I'm not miss manner's. I will say that what stopped you from pming them and asking what the situation was ? You throw it on the people . Finger pointing only fuels the fire.

Just remember a site without guests won't gather sponsers. My site WILL welcome adversity. Not attack someone with an opinion.

[NinjaKitty]

I'm not sure what you mean. But, I won't meanse words. I say again. Have you attempted to pm them ? Define adversity ? Is or was it an attack on your opinion or an attempt to correct the misinformation you put forth. Bone picking is only good if you know how to pick the meat from the bone. Not pick marrow and call it meat .

[Sassyduck]

"Welcome adversity"...so you want everyone to fight with one another? No thanks.

[Ms. Flyte Risque]

Dude, i don't know who the fock you are, nor do i care, just some ignorant imbicile.....I am not will going to sit idle and tolerate you slamming my man for drinking a beer or two on bike night, you asshole!! YOu know nothing about Flyte! Until you hear the horror stories he has shared with me, maye you might friggin understand. You see, he was a former tow truck driver, and yeah, he's see dead carnage.....burned up, blackened, still-smoldering, stinking carnage....and for what, a teenage driver who flipping dropped CD or cell phone! Killed his own ass all in the need of a damn dropped CD/phone.

I live with the MF and have happily for the last 5 1/2 years! This is a man i know inside and out, sat with him during his bitter divorce and who personally gave me the compliment of knowing him better than his BEST FREIND of many years! This is a man who'd give you his last cent if you needed it, the shirt off his back if you needed it, the guy who'd protect your ass if you needed it, say it and he's there......you don't know him like i do, or like the rest of this OSB forum does. STFU!

I have a sister who is a cop in Vegas, you wanna know what her first day on the job with the Las Vegas Clark County Metro Police force was? Cutting a young 24 y/o mother with her 2 year old daughter still in the carseat out of her seatbelt DOA! How horrific can that be you flipping jerk?! Lovely dinner conversation, don't you think? SEATBELTS KILL!

I have personally been hit by a car as pedestian between 2 cars who wrecked. Yeah, i nearly lost my life when i was slammed into a telephone pole some 9 feet from where i was standing moments before, to some asshole teenage chick. I too suffered a shattered femur, road rash, glass, bark dust slivers, creosote covered face, and acid burns, from it, and oh, did i mention, i wasn't in the middle of the street when it happened either. Freak accident! It happens! I was out of school for 3 months, made misrible by 4 years of the lawyers and doc appoinments. YOu have no focking room to talk dude!!!. Flyte absolutely knows his limit, he calls me if he's had too much to drink, which is not often, or has me run him around town if he needs a pack of cigs. He never ever rides nor drives drunk. And to be on the other end of the phone when he calls me and says, "Steph, I wrecked my bike, and i'm hurt".....not knowing even what injuries are to be had, nearaly made me puke on impact." Until you pull a LOVED one from wrecked carnage, don't focking talk. [quote=Flyte Risk;90751]

Again Nellie, you've never had to play medic so you have no room to talk about lack of gear.[/QUOTE

Ok I am confused... No I have never played medic but can you honestly try to tell me that YOU are a responsible rider because you wear gear??? Every bike night picture I have seen of you, you have a beer in your hand. Then get on a bike. I have played cop for four years and I can tell you that the sights I have seen were the driver thats over the legal limit walks while we cover the family of four in sheets proves to me that stressing over simple gear issues is a waste of time. you all need to zip out of the " holier than thou" suits and take a look at what you are REALLY about before slammin someone just because it makes you look cool. Quite frankly all you band wagon jumpers need to realize the image you portray before get your panties in a bind over gear. Just look at all the other sites...this topic is played out. But how many topics are there about meeting at a bar on bike night getting drunk then ride....Or riding 160 mph because I don't know the potential of my hopped up 200hp super cruiser. Yeah lets jump all over the one guy who has absolutely NO EFFECT on your ability to ride but forget the ones who have the potential to kill.

[Nicegy525]

<--- sits in absolute AWE of Ms. Flyte Risque... :eek2: :bow: I would hate to be the child who pissed you off... :haha:

[NinjaKitty]

Just remember a site without guests won't gather sponsers. My site WILL welcome adversity. Not attack someone with an opinion.




There are actually alot of guest on this site. Just one unwanted one.

[nelson]

Dude, i don't know who the fock you are, nor do i care, just some ignorant imbicile.....I am not will going to sit idle and tolerate you slamming my man for drinking a beer or two on bike night, you asshole!! YOu know nothing about Flyte! Until you hear the horror stories he has shared with me, maye you might friggin understand. You see, he was a former tow truck driver, and yeah, he's see dead carnage.....burned up, blackened, still-smoldering, stinking carnage....and for what, a teenage driver who flipping dropped CD or cell phone! Killed his own ass all in the need of a damn dropped CD/phone.

I live with the MF and have happily for the last 5 1/2 years! This is a man i know inside and out, sat with him during his bitter divorce and who personally gave me the compliment of knowing him better than his BEST FREIND of many years! This is a man who'd give you his last cent if you needed it, the shirt off his back if you needed it, the guy who'd protect your ass if you needed it, say it and he's there......you don't know him like i do, or like the rest of this OSB forum does. STFU!

I have a sister who is a cop in Vegas, you wanna know what her first day on the job with the Las Vegas Clark County Metro Police force was? Cutting a young 24 y/o mother with her 2 year old daughter still in the carseat out of her seatbelt DOA! How horrific can that be you flipping jerk?! Lovely dinner conversation, don't you think? SEATBELTS KILL!

I have personally been hit by a car as pedestian between 2 cars who wrecked. Yeah, i nearly lost my life when i was slammed into a telephone pole some 9 feet from where i was standing moments before, to some asshole teenage chick. I too suffered a shattered femur, road rash, glass, bark dust slivers, creosote covered face, and acid burns, from it, and oh, did i mention, i wasn't in the middle of the street when it happened either. Freak accident! It happens! I was out of school for 3 months, made misrible by 4 years of the lawyers and doc appoinments. YOu have no focking room to talk dude!!!. Flyte absolutely knows his limit, he calls me if he's had too much to drink, which is not often, or has me run him around town if he needs a pack of cigs. He never ever rides nor drives drunk. And to be on the other end of the phone when he calls me and says, "Steph, I wrecked my bike, and i'm hurt".....not knowing even what injuries are to be had, nearaly made me puke on impact." Until you pull a LOVED one from wrecked carnage, don't focking talk.



wow thats a whole lot of typing and making no sense. Read the eff'n thread. all I said was he was the pot calling the kettle black by stressing out on people who choose not to wear gear when he himself was on a ride with a rider who went 160mph as well as advertising pics of him in his leathers with a beer in hand. That sends signals that this site promotes unsafe behaviors. I am sure the sponsers would love to see that. You are so typical OSB personel. How many times did you insult me in that BOOK you wrote. I will pray for you. Now I guess I can add you to the list of those on here who try to make a point by insulting the person who has a different opinion. Take a seat..relax and don't stress out so much.

[Jane Honda]

<--- sits in absolute AWE of Ms. Flyte Risque... :eek2: :bow: I would hate to be the child who pissed you off... :haha:


It's a rare day when someone gets their ass handed to them by her, and when she does, she means business.

[MarinesBiatch]

:( My brother was in acoma. The one who packed me on his bike before...When you see your parents agonize and pray he makes it out.
Whats wrong with being a dumbass ? Let me see. Its dumbasses who the rest of us end up paying for in one way or another.

Whats wrong ? Lets see. Medical insurance gets hiked...Others who had nothing to do with it gets traumatized. Need I go on ? Seriously, pride before the fall..Rings a bell ? PP :confused: :popcorn:

I haven't even finished reading this thread, but I have to say t's not only insurance. It also has the possibility of affecting the laws on the road. I'm not attacking anyone or anything else, but I'm just adding in my :2cents: .

[orion15220]

:wow8:

[Flyte Risk]

...by stressing out on people who choose not to wear gear when he himself was on a ride with a rider who went 160mph

We were all wearing appropriate gear for the ride. not one person was in shorts and a t-shirt.

as well as advertising pics of him in his leathers with a beer in hand. You must be blind. I see no leathers. I admit I commute in jeans, I ride in leathers

That sends signals that this site promotes unsafe behaviors. I am sure the sponsers would love to see that. I can guarentee that our site sponser could give a shit less.

You are so typical OSB personel. How many times did you insult me in that BOOK you wrote. I will pray for you. Sweet, pull the "religion" card. The last time you said a prayer it was "Dear God, please let me score tonight." Wasn't that the last time you PM'd a female member here too?

Now I guess I can add you to the list of those on here who try to make a point by insulting the person who has a different opinion. Take a seat..relax and don't stress out so much. Add her to the list of people who think you should just leave. I read no insult there just her getting her point accross. BTW, she already has a seat, isn't stressed and is very relaxed. You just seem to bring out the best in people.

[orion15220]

OK....FLYTE, JANE...why doesn't "NELLIE" get some assistance in finding the rock he crawled out of cuz he is obviously out of his atmosphere. He is really not worth the blood pressure spike for anyone that reads this thread. The guy is obviously on some high horse and I know that if anyone can knock him off it's you 2. Let's get back to reading/posting some good conversation, humor, and the enjoyment of those OSB members that can speak like big kids. :epenis:

[NinjaKitty]

I haven't even finished reading this thread, but I have to say t's not only insurance. It also has the possibility of affecting the laws on the road. I'm not attacking anyone or anything else, but I'm just adding in my :2cents: .

I know you wouldn't attack but defend..That s why I left the list short. Though its an actually long list if you included the ones who won't be able to work again and need assitance. We all pay again. So on so forth.:(

[orion15220]

MUST SPREAD FEATHER TO SEE....AWW CRAP CHANGED THE DAMN SUBJECT AGAIN :iorun:

[MarinesBiatch]

I know you wouldn't attack but defend..That s why I left the list short. Though its an actually long list if you included the ones who won't be able to work again and need assitance. We all pay again. So on so forth.:(

Not defending anyone either. I think both sides are a little out of line, personally. But I'm an outsider, and don't feel the need to really get involved. :yes:

I know the lists long.... Sorry about that. Just my law brain coming out.

[NinjaKitty]

Not defending anyone either. I think both sides are a little out of line, personally. But I'm an outsider, and don't feel the need to really get involved. :yes:

I know the lists long.... Sorry about that. Just my law brain coming out.


NO sorry. I meant the list of implications that can occur.Not you.:)

[Flyte Risk]

OK....FLYTE, JANE...why doesn't "NELLIE" get some assistance in finding the rock he crawled out of cuz he is obviously out of his atmosphere.
Simple. Too easy.

Our management team is neither above or below the members, we are equals with abilities. as much as he's called us out nothing here has made the grade so to speak of taking action.

[tdekeyser1]

:popcorn:

Personally, I'm entertained by this...:thumbup:

But to bring it back to the subject.....

Nelly boy:

After 30 years of riding, I have lost 2 friends and about 15 forum "friends" in those years. I know several people that have been hurt in loving this sport, and the pain to themselves, family/friends is quite serious. That is the subject here.

If you were on a ride, and saw a un-geared rider crash and need medical attention, would you just ride off and think, "well, that was thier choice and it serves them right?"

That is what you are communicating. Think about that... YES, you are entitled to your opinion, but just take a moment and think about the emotional pain some of these rider "might" have gone through. You have to open your mind and think that some of the people here have had very painful experiences. Many of them are VERY experienced and know what I'm talking about. We are asking that you respect that or take off. Nothing personal...K?

[nelson]

Simple. Too easy.

Our management team is neither above or below the members, we are equals with abilities. as much as he's called us out nothing here has made the grade so to speak of taking action.

thats because i am the only one who hasn't insulted anyone outright. If i stooped to the levels some have on this thread i would have been gone a long time ago.

[Flyte Risk]

thats because i am the only one who hasn't insulted anyone outright. If i stooped to the levels some have on this thread i would have been gone a long time ago.
Case in point?

[nelson]

thats because i am the only one who hasn't insulted anyone outright. If i stooped to the levels some have on this thread i would have been gone a long time ago.

Case in point?

read the thread Flyte. Every response to my opinions has an insult by you, Jane, Orion and mrs flyte. Yet none of you recieved one in return. I respect your opinions just not the way it is delivered

[nelson]

:popcorn:

Personally, I'm entertained by this...:thumbup:

But to bring it back to the subject.....

Nelly boy:

After 30 years of riding, I have lost 2 friends and about 15 forum "friends" in those years. I know several people that have been hurt in loving this sport, and the pain to themselves, family/friends is quite serious. That is the subject here.

If you were on a ride, and saw a un-geared rider crash and need medical attention, would you just ride off and think, "well, that was thier choice and it serves them right?"

That is what you are communicating. Think about that... YES, you are entitled to your opinion, but just take a moment and think about the emotional pain some of these rider "might" have gone through. You have to open your mind and think that some of the people here have had very painful experiences. Many of them are VERY experienced and know what I'm talking about. We are asking that you respect that or take off. Nothing personal...K?


Hey I am not saying we all shouldn't preach safety. I am just saying why stress over those who are deaf to the message.

[orion15220]

:wave whoo I got noticed

[lobes]

Hey I am not saying we all shouldn't preach safety. I am just saying why stress over those who are deaf to the message.


Obviously there are to many ignorant people on this board to be able to see what your message is. If the people of this board are not willing to think for a second about what someone that is not in there click is talking about then obviously the members of this board are arogant assholes. Your goal of getting someone to leave the site because they do not fit into your narrow frame of thinking has actually worked. I will not sit here and listen to criticizing someone who has said nothing to hurt anyone and yet our "leaders", a term I use loosely, are do nothing but such.

I am out.

[YAMR6]

This thread needs a little help!! This is what I'm talking about:rad: :rad:

[nelson]

This thread needs a little help!! This is what I'm talking about:rad: :rad:

you are a classic :thumbup:

[YAMR6]

you are a classic :thumbup:


Yeah, look at her....she is smoking hot.....I'll be right back:jerkoff :jerkoff :jerkoff :jerkoff That's better, what were we talking about again? Oh right, always wear a rubber.:smilewink: :lol: :lol:

[Ms. Flyte Risque]

Let's see, it made real perfect sense to me, don't fucking attack a person and accuse them of being unsafe, out on rides or at the local bar for bike night, they all know when to fucking park a bike if they are lit up and chill out. Don't attack a person's ability to ride at high rates of speed, and accuse them of being unsafe. I know for a fact Flyte is a dude who will ride and practice his skills honing his cornering techniques and balance, just ask anyone he routinely rides with. It may be one thing to hit triples in the straights, big whoop, wheres the skill in going staight, but you can count he'll had you your ass in the corners. He's probably one of the safest riders around....go figure, a million miles of driving safe in commercial long haul truck kinda makes one more safe on the roads than most folks. As far as i am concerned you are the fool, don't point dagers until you have hung out with this group and know the people in it. The OSB people are family they protect each other as if they are brothers and sisters, and you just don't go and mess with people's families, cause it' will not come out pretty in the end, that i can promise you. NOW YOU GO GO TAKE A SEAT!!!!

wow thats a whole lot of typing and making no sense. Read the eff'n thread. all I said was he was the pot calling the kettle black by stressing out on people who choose not to wear gear when he himself was on a ride with a rider who went 160mph as well as advertising pics of him in his leathers with a beer in hand. That sends signals that this site promotes unsafe behaviors. I am sure the sponsers would love to see that. You are so typical OSB personel. How many times did you insult me in that BOOK you wrote. I will pray for you. Now I guess I can add you to the list of those on here who try to make a point by insulting the person who has a different opinion. Take a seat..relax and don't stress out so much.

[nelson]

Let's see, it made real perfect sense to me, don't fucking attack a person and accuse them of being unsafe, out on rides or at the local bar for bike night, they all know when to fucking park a bike if they are lit up and chill out. Don't attack a person's ability to ride at high rates of speed, and accuse them of being unsafe. I know for a fact Flyte is a dude who will ride and practice his skills honing his cornering techniques and balance, just ask anyone he routinely rides with. It may be one thing to hit triples in the straights, big whoop, wheres the skill in going staight, but you can count he'll had you your ass in the corners. He's probably one of the safest riders around....go figure, a million miles of driving safe in commercial long haul truck kinda makes one more safe on the roads than most folks. As far as i am concerned you are the fool, don't point dagers until you have hung out with this group and know the people in it. The OSB people are family they protect each other as if they are brothers and sisters, and you just don't go and mess with people's families, cause it' will not come out pretty in the end, that i can promise you. NOW YOU GO GO TAKE A SEAT!!!!


oh for fuck's sake , give it a rest already.

[Nicegy525]

you people need to learn to use the damn quote button correctly! I cant tell which was the quoted part and which was the reply! :freakout :iorun:

edit: I fixed them!

[MA$TER_E]

DRAMA OVERDOSE!!!

http://lh5.ggpht.com/mr.nice.e/SGpU2HEuAeI/AAAAAAAAAdE/7hij4Gnskis/s400/PUKE.jpg

:lame: Have a nice day :iorun:

[Willixer600]

Hey Nancy Caragan, Are you an official here? Cause you have officialy givin me a boaner! Sorry Im a :saddict . It's a real disease with doctors and medicine and stuff!

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb85/emily_emergencyx3/2007-2008/blades1.gifhttp://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f18/009dzx/hectornew.gif

[Willixer600]

Drama overdose..
http://lh5.ggpht.com/mr.nice.e/SGpU2HEuAeI/AAAAAAAAAdE/7hij4Gnskis/s400/PUKE.jpg

I wounder what lucky guy or girl gets to kiss that at night?:lol:
NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM.. ect.. and so on...

[MA$TER_E]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Flyte Risk]

oh for fuck's sake , give it a rest already.
If you're going to try to argue your position you're going to need to do better then that. While I won't ban someone for differeing in opinion I will for childish crap like that.

[orion15220]

:wow8:

[Nicegy525]

"oops looks like I found the stage... can anyone point me to the gym?"

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a200/Nicegy525/muscleMan.jpg

[Nicegy525]

"id like to buy a vowel..."

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a200/Nicegy525/wheel-stfu.jpg

[Nicegy525]

"Hey Leonitus whats for dinner tonight?"

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a200/Nicegy525/Redsauceonpasta.gif

[Nicegy525]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a200/Nicegy525/COUNT.jpg


http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a200/Nicegy525/Nekkid.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a200/Nicegy525/COWCOW.jpg

[Willixer600]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a200/Nicegy525/muscleMan.jpg


I like how he stuffed his penis area... :epenis:

[Nicegy525]

why are you looking at his penis area? you and Noah should hang out. You'd like each other... :lol:

[Willixer600]

why are you looking at his penis area? you and Noah should hang out. You'd like each other... :lol:

Come on Nicegy... It's ok if you looked too hahahahahhaha. :moon:
How could you not?? It's rediculous...I mean.. It could never stand up to mine but thats not the point here nore there.:lol:

[NinjaKitty]

You gotta love this site...I think we are the only one's around to turn this into a whore thread...And ewwwwwwwww. on the muscle man.Thats just:vomit:

[MarinesBiatch]

I like how he stuffed his penis area... :epenis:

Well, I guess since the rest of him is "stuffed," he didn't want anyone to think he had a less than small penis.... Which he prolly does. :haha:

[Ms. Flyte Risque]

That's just nasty.....steroids gone bad...to bad it didn't work on his wee lit'l pecker......that'd be anaconda style.......


You gotta love this site...I think we are the only one's around to turn this into a whore thread...And ewwwwwwwww. on the muscle man.Thats just:vomit:

[Sassyduck]

It looks uncomfortable. Having muscles is one thing, but that is unattractive.

[nelson]

What exactly is this thread about again???:thinking:

[NinjaKitty]

Steriods gone wrong ?

[Willixer600]

What exactly is this thread about again???:thinking:


I dont want to eat a pickle, I just want to ride my motorcicle...:ride:

[MA$TER_E]

What exactly is this thread about again???:thinking:

Gear, Whores, Steroids, Barf, Small Penises, and a few other things I cant remember...

:epenis:

[orion15220]

:idunno:

[ThaSick1]

:idunno:

I can refresh your memory a bit...this thread is about people getting pissed off at others who aren't wearing thier gear when riding with others, if I am not mistaken (which I'm not)...

I would like to readdress this. Its great when you can go out and buy a full set of leathers and all the fun stuff to be able to go on a long haul ride. But, I am not one of those people (yet)...yes, I wear a jacket, gloves, boots and helmet when I ride, but there are those who have been spotted recently, on OSB rides, without some of these items. You talk about sneakers. Well, yeah, I don't have to say anymore...
just thought I'd pop in with my :2cents:

[Major Agusta]

I know gear saved me some skin, I usually just wear jeans though. Read my post Major TLR munched it and see how lucky I was I was wearing reinforced riding jeans. I am now dedicated to wearing the right gear. On my commuter rides to and from work - just the uniform, not much protecting me from the Portland drivers.

[BadRepp66]

I have full leathers and racing boots, I have full "weather riding" kevlar and of course tons of DIRT Bike gear (that's for Major TLR) but I do ride to work with just a riding jacket and my ACU's with Army boots for the commute. Heck, it is America and people only have to wear what the law requires, which I guess is only a helmet.

[DrDuc]

I can refresh your memory a bit...this thread is about people getting pissed off at others who aren't wearing thier gear when riding with others, if I am not mistaken (which I'm not)...

I would like to readdress this. Its great when you can go out and buy a full set of leathers and all the fun stuff to be able to go on a long haul ride. But, I am not one of those people (yet)...

just thought I'd pop in with my :2cents:

Didn't you just spend in the neighborhood of $500 on another bike? With that money you could have easily picked up a set of textile riding pants and jacket with CE approved armor, and you probably could have found a set of Cortech leathers for less than $500 as well.

I don't mean to pick on you, but I personally know what it's like to get off a bike while it's still traveling at 100+ mph. I also know from research that jeans burn through in 0.1 seconds and that a person is traveling 44 ft/sec at only 30 mph. Assuming that you fall while traveling at 30 mph and your slide last 5 secs, can you imagine what your knees, shin, etc., could look like? I can. I've seen it too many times during my 41 years of riding. Buying more bikes before buying appropriate riding gear is an unwise choice and it "puts the lie," so to speak, to your contention that you can't afford riding gear. You could have afforded the riding gear, it just wasn't important enough to you to spend you money on it rather than on another bike.

[ThaSick1]

Didn't you just spend in the neighborhood of $500 on another bike?
I have a jacket, boots, gloves and helmet...the only thing I lack is riding pants...and as far as the $500...I dont see what my personal purchases have anything to do with this thread. I merely stated that there are people out there, that alot of OSB riders ride with that aren't wearing this gear that everyone is ranting about, and yet you ride with them anyways, therefore rebuking anything that these people said about not wanting to ride or feeling comfortable riding with people that dont wear proper gear...I am not trying to pick on anyone, but if you are going to create an arguement about proper riding gear (and I can count atleast one member that made a very specific comment about not being able to stand people in that category, one that doesnt even wear proper riding gear), atleast have it in your mind that there are those out that can only afford the minimum protection at this time. My monetary expenses have nothing to do with this thread, so give it a rest.
Assuming that you fall while traveling at 30 mph and your slide last 5 secs, can you imagine what your knees, shin, etc., could look like? I can.
So can I. It's happened to me. In Seattle, going along Greenlake Way on a Saturday afternoon. And my slide was 8 feet, and I had an inch per foot scar on my helmet at the end...One clavicle higher than the other and I rode home. You also have to know how to crash even if you dont expect to....
Buying more bikes before buying appropriate riding gear is an unwise choice and it "puts the lie," so to speak, to your contention that you can't afford riding gear. You could have afforded the riding gear, it just wasn't important enough to you to spend you money on it rather than on another bike.
You haven't a clue as to the importance of what I spend my money on, nor do you have a clue as to who I am as a consumer. In fact, I don't believe you've met me more than once, if at all.... Please don't go assuming.

I'm done responding to this thread.

[DrDuc]

I've not ridden with anyone from this forum that wasn't wearing proper gear. I don't know who you are referring to when you say, "Someone who doesn't even wear proper riding gear." I always wear proper gear when I ride.
You brought the money issue into it when you said that you didn't have money for gear, yet you could afford another bike. That makes the importance of how you spend your money both evident and relevant to this thread. No assumptions are necessary about where your financial priorities are as it relates to buying an additional bike vs. buying appropriate gear. You've laid that out there for all to see.

Sorry, but your lack of critical thinking skills is showing.

I have a jacket, boots, gloves and helmet...the only thing I lack is riding pants...and as far as the $500...I dont see what my personal purchases have anything to do with this thread. I merely stated that there are people out there, that alot of OSB riders ride with that aren't wearing this gear that everyone is ranting about, and yet you ride with them anyways, therefore rebuking anything that these people said about not wanting to ride or feeling comfortable riding with people that dont wear proper gear...I am not trying to pick on anyone, but if you are going to create an arguement about proper riding gear (and I can count atleast one member that made a very specific comment about not being able to stand people in that category, one that doesnt even wear proper riding gear), atleast have it in your mind that there are those out that can only afford the minimum protection at this time. My monetary expenses have nothing to do with this thread, so give it a rest.

So can I. It's happened to me. In Seattle, going along Greenlake Way on a Saturday afternoon. And my slide was 8 feet, and I had an inch per foot scar on my helmet at the end...One clavicle higher than the other and I rode home. You also have to know how to crash even if you dont expect to....

You haven't a clue as to the importance of what I spend my money on, nor do you have a clue as to who I am as a consumer. In fact, I don't believe you've met me more than once, if at all.... Please don't go assuming.

I'm done responding to this thread.

[Flyte Risk]

I'll caution both of you to tread lightly. While both of your arguments are valid the question of what one means by "proper gear" , "proper riding gear" and "a ride" mean to the person reading.

I for one am known to "commute" in jeans but won't "ride" (as in "a ride") without my leathers. So I guess it could be said that I have a double standard for what "proper riding gear" is depending on the activity planned.

Let me also take this moment to point out that Rob, is the one who wants to stunt ( at low speeds I understand ) yet doesn't have riding pants. Learning to stunt involves crashing, why wear jeans and then intentionally do something you know will probably end badly? Dale on the other hand swears by wearing gear every time he gets on the motorcycle but he has personally posted video of himself going up and down the street without any protective gear to the point that I'd have to go back and watch the vid again to see if he was in fact wearing a helmet.

I could go on about MANY other members here wearing less then they preach on occasion but I won't. We're all human, we all make stupid decisions and we all tend to forget those same descisions when we try to rationalize them and justify our moral position to others in order to forward our argument as superior.

[Flyte Risk]

What's your hourly rate Dale? I think somebody owes me money for that post and I want to know what to charge.

[DrDuc]

Dale on the other hand swears by wearing gear every time he gets on the motorcycle but he has personally posted video of himself going up and down the street without any protective gear to the point that I'd have to go back and watch the vid again to see if he was in fact wearing a helmet.

I had on a helmet, gloves, long-sleeved jacket, jeans, and tennis shoes. I chewed myself out in the post when I put it up. I was in a state of intense anxiety when I made the video, to the point that I put my foot down dirt-bike style to make a simple U-turn. All I could think of during the approximately one minute that it took to make that clip was how bad it was going to hurt if I fell. It was a very unpleasant experience. It hasn't happened since.

[BadRepp66]

I'll caution both of you to tread lightly. While both of your arguments are valid the question of what one means by "proper gear" , "proper riding gear" and "a ride" mean to the person reading.

I for one am known to "commute" in jeans but won't "ride" (as in "a ride") without my leathers. So I guess it could be said that I have a double standard for what "proper riding gear" is depending on the activity planned.

... We're all human, we all make stupid decisions and we all tend to forget those same descisions when we try to rationalize them and justify our moral position to others in order to forward our argument as superior.

Flyte, I couldn't say it any better myself.

[FJMam]

:wave Hey YOU! Yeah, YOU!

There's a thread here for post whores "Whores". That's where you go to post all this wierd, funny, gross and uncalled for stuff!

Stop jacking a thread that actually started with an important subject. :shifty:

:popcorn: :crazy: :whip: :popcorn:

Now, back to our regularly scheduled programming.


:2cents: :rolleyes: sorry, just had to.

PEACE

[MA$TER_E]

I should post the video of me smacking the ground...

It wasn't much of a crash really. It was just enough to make my life difficult for a week or so and realize how important gear is. Had I had any kind of gear on at all (more than just a helmet) I would have walked away unscaved with only bad words and anti-freeze in the street. Unfortunately... I lost some skin and some pride. Not to mention some shares of stock and pay checks to pay for the silly little dink in the street..... Well...... And some upgrades too :yes:

[Jane Honda]

I should post the video of me smacking the ground...

It wasn't much of a crash really. It was just enough to make my life difficult for a week or so and realize how important gear is. Had I had any kind of gear on at all (more than just a helmet) I would have walked away unscaved with only bad words and anti-freeze in the street. Unfortunately... I lost some skin and some pride. Not to mention some shares of stock and pay checks to pay for the silly little dink in the street..... Well...... And some upgrades too :yes:


Do I need to post it up, or are you? :haha:

[Alcorn69]

I love all the people wearing those cool half helmets!

[LKP]

Im not sure why all of you are wasteing time argueing about this. Its a free country, do what you want. you choose not to wear gear, who ever you are, then thats your choice...i have no sympathy for the injury's that could have be prevented if you ( who ever) had been wearing it but hey... its the same as if I wreck doen a stoppie or wheelie- many would say " oh, he was being and idiot and showing off " but hey, I dont tell them how the ride so F* off on them tellin me lol Roll how you want, its your gamble... how much you choose to put on the line is up to you, its that simple:thumbup:


just my :2cents::wave

[MA$TER_E]

Oh yea well you're stupid :sticking-out-tongue

:haha:

These kinds of threads go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on...

I dont think people should take them so seriously :popcorn:

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm287/land6266/00000000%20-%20OSB%20Storage/wrong.jpg

[Stretched_Over]

I can understand the whole ride with all gear all the time is important. But for my case and Kris did get on me for a sec about it was that being 6'9 I have gloves jacket and pants but the pants don't really fit right. Most companies don't make gear for someone like me. Wish I could get something that was on the affordable side of things(even my jacket is a bit short). And If anyone knows where they sell gear for TALL men's I am more them thankful for.

[MA$TER_E]

I can understand the whole ride with all gear all the time is important. But for my case and Kris did get on me for a sec about it was that being 6'9 I have gloves jacket and pants but the pants don't really fit right. Most companies don't make gear for someone like me. Wish I could get something that was on the affordable side of things(even my jacket is a bit short). And If anyone knows where they sell gear for TALL men's I am more them thankful for.

:thumbup: Tell me about it... My jacket and pants fit; but not very well. I'm yet to find a jacket that's Large Tall... :shifty:

[Jane Honda]

I can understand the whole ride with all gear all the time is important. But for my case and Kris did get on me for a sec about it was that being 6'9 I have gloves jacket and pants but the pants don't really fit right. Most companies don't make gear for someone like me. Wish I could get something that was on the affordable side of things(even my jacket is a bit short). And If anyone knows where they sell gear for TALL men's I am more them thankful for.

:thumbup: Tell me about it... My jacket and pants fit; but not very well. I'm yet to find a jacket that's Large Tall... :shifty:

Yeah, try being a semi-fluffy woman. I want REAL gear that is going to stand up during a get off. Gear that won't make me look like some dumb biker bunny, that is just riding to look pretty. Not all biker women are size 2, and 5' nothing, and want to wear pink. :pityfool-MrT:

I got pretty lucky in my gear that I found. :thumbup: Not the greatest fit though...

[DrDuc]

:thumbup: Tell me about it... My jacket and pants fit; but not very well. I'm yet to find a jacket that's Large Tall... :shifty:

First Gear makes gear in tall sizes. I have their Kilamangaro jacket. I love it. The only thing that I'd like it to have that it doesn't is the ability to zip it to pants. If there are any seamstresses out there capable of attaching a zipper to the bottom of the jacket, I' d love to hire you to attach a zipper to this jacket for me.

[MA$TER_E]

I'll look into that. The jacket zipping into the pants is almost a must now that I've had it for so long. My rain gear doesn't zip together and man it feels weird riding around...

[MarineHawk]

First Gear makes gear in tall sizes. I have their Kilamangaro jacket. I love it. The only thing that I'd like it to have that it doesn't is the ability to zip it to pants. If there are any seamstresses out there capable of attaching a zipper to the bottom of the jacket, I' d love to hire you to attach a zipper to this jacket for me.

I'm a seamster that can do that, but the s&h to Virginia would be a bit much ;) Just go to an alterations place that's run by Asians, they're the greatest. Or Russians, they're good too, it's a simple fix and unlikely to be expensive.

[Flyte Risk]

If there are any seamstresses out there capable of attaching a zipper to the bottom of the jacket, I' d love to hire you to attach a zipper to this jacket for me.

Miriam whatshername here in portland can do that for you. She does all the local racers. Ask on the Ducati forums or PM Gary G-R1fun he might know. Everybody knows of her. I still need to have her sew my zipper to my pants so I can hit a trackday this year.

[MarinesBiatch]

Yeah, try being a semi-fluffy woman. I want REAL gear that is going to stand up during a get off. Gear that won't make me look like some dumb biker bunny, that is just riding to look pretty. Not all biker women are size 2, and 5' nothing, and want to wear pink.

:plusone:

I'm definitely not a size 2, I'm 5'3", and I don't want to wear pink on the road. Just not my style. I have a hard time with pants..... Jackets typically fit because I have a longer torso, but pants are a pain in the ass for me....... They are ALWAYS too LONG. I actually told MH I'm considering those frickin' high heel ugly boot things ICON has so I can wear all my gear.... Well, and touch the ground with both feet on my bike....

[Monkey Wrench]

I am New to this Site (this is my second Post!), and although I have promoted Safe Riding Practices, and Proper Gear, on several other Cycle Sites, I have largely given up the practice.
Several years ago, some of the Nieghborhood Kids had begun to ride Sport Bikes, after stopping to admire mine over the years. I knew that I had inspired them to some degree, and so went to great efforts at urging them (and others) to get more than just a Helmet. My strongest angle was that I refused to ride with them if they didn't have Gear. That is the most anyone can realistically do.
Attempting to force someone to do something will never work out well, and as time went by, they stopped coming, because my first response would always be about Gear (or lack there of). At least these Kids had Helmets, which is more than what I started out with in the early '80's.
Some will listen, and some won't. There are those out there that didn't even think about it, but are interested in learning more about it. Those are the ones to work with. The rest can't be helped if they willingly choose to ignore basic aspects of personal safety, and it really is a Cleansing of the Gene Pool.

In all aspects of Riding a Motorcycle, we all accept varied degrees of danger, and hazards. It is the nature of what we chose to do when mounting a Bike. In fact, just because one may have Full Gear does not mean that they are now safe (just a bit more safe!). On the Track, where Riders regularly crash-out without injury, there are no external hazards (such as: Cars, Trucks, Trees, Poles, Buildings, Mailboxes, Animals, ect, ect...), so this example gives a false sense of safety about wearing Gear. In reality, Gear can save your hide in a slide, but will not do much in the event of a sudden stop impact.
This leads to a huge debate about Gear, and not worth arguing about, because it is smarter to ride with it, however, in some parts of the US they are still debating about Helmet Laws! Florida is a good example of this, where it is not manditory to wear one, and they argue regularly that although it may save your Brain, they are also known to break your Neck! Best solution to all this, is Ride Smart, Defensively, and with Full Gear, knowing that at least you are being as safe as possible (all things considered!).

As for pulling someone off thier Bike, because they are dumb enough to ride in a Tank Top, Shorts, and Flip-flops, leads to a large issue as well. Would you then stop all the guys (and gals) who ride Harley Motorcycles, dressed in a Vest, Geans, and a Skull Cap? In reality, the only reason we have Full Gear is because we are emulating the Sport Bike Racing Scene, right down to the stickers on our Bikes. Does this mean then that only Sport Bike Riders need Full Gear? Answer is no... All Riders can benefit from Riding Gear, but how redicules would it be to see a guy on a Harley wearing Racing Leathers, and a Full Face Helmet?!?!
It is complicated, and silly, that somehow certain Bikes don't match what is offered as Safe Riding Gear, made further complicated that there is a general misunderstanding about it all (being safe on a Motorcycle that is).
Going fast is always part of it (even on a Harley), and staying focused is all too critical, just as much as inspecting your Bike before/after every ride. Some are just more focused than others, but really, who are we to judge another, who looses his Front Wheel due to failure to inspect the condition of his Bike, or wrecks because he rode it without caution, or became seriously injuried by not taking some basic precautions about his safety and wearing Gear. Really. We are only responsible for our own actions.
On that note, I have made efforts towards passive education, in which the basic illustrations can be made: Would you go Ski down a mountain without Snow Suit, and Gloves? Maybe play Full Contact Football without padding? Perhaps swim with Sharks without a Mesh Suit? Riding a Motorcycle is as much a sport as anything else, for which Proper Gear is needed, but if somebody gets half eaten by a Shark... should I condem him? Whatever. He was dumb enough to have allowed it to happen (at least if he were intentionally swimming with them). It is his lesson to learn, if he survived it, so as to not repeat it in the future. We have all been there ourselves at some point in our lives.

Which brings this debate to another issue: Witnessing something like that. If you don't want to be witness to someone having some sort of accident, it might be advisable to not leave the safety of your house, and leave the TV off as well! Whether it is an Automobile Accident, or a Bike Crash, these things happen on a regular basis, and the likelyhood of seeing such things is high should you be on the Roadways. These things happen, and are an aspect of the frailties of being human. Insisting that someone wear safety apparel to avoid such things, or limit the amount of carnage that you might have to witness, is actually selfish! Go figure.

Accidents will always happen, because it is the result of how everyone in this Society fails to understand any basic principals of Safe Driving Habits. Should we then launch a Crusade to re-educate everyone behind a Wheel- NO Speeding, Tailgating, and OBAY all laws. Unfortunately, that also applies to Motorcyclist. There is a general lack of safety everywhere, and we as Riders need to weave our way through it as best we can, but are we really going to embark on such a Crusade for everone's general safety? Who really cares if someone has a wreck? That is not to say that I don't care about the welfare of someone else, but rather that there are just too many people out there for me to be concerned about them all, and still see to my own safety! After all, most don't really care anyway, unless it happens directly in front of them. Take a look... Its a Jungle out there!


Further implications to all of this....
-Just because you have had an experience, in which you can see that another person may avoid the same, does not entitle you to force them to share your point of view. That was your experience. Should you choose to share it, and others benefit from it, then it was to a good resolve. However, don't simply expect someone else to see what you saw, or be angry that they fail to understand the significance. Each to his own.
-Arguements regarding idiot Riders causing Insurance Rates to climb, or Strict Laws to be impossed; This will happen regardless of whether or not they were wearing Gear. There are just too many accidents on a regular basis, and Insurance Companies will keep the stats on Gear/No Gear, but the reality is that they will raise the rates based upon population in a given area, and a ratio of the amount of accidents that result from it.
-Squids giving us all a Bad Rap- Show them otherwise, with Safe Riding Habits.


Bottom Line to all of this, is that Safety Gear Saves Lives on Bikes. It is smart to protect yourself in anyway you can while Riding. However, when it comes to others within our reality, that is thier responsibilty. We can offer advice, based upon our own Lessons, and Experiences. Others will only listen if it is relevent to how they percieve things.
The Absolute Best we can do is Lead, and Educate, by Example.


Sorry for the rant :blah-blah::sleep:, and beating a dead horse :whipit
Hope you'll still have me on this Site! :wave

[MA$TER_E]

I agree with you completely. You'd have to know me to really understand where I'm coming from here but; take a look at this. I know its not enough to go around crucifying everyone riding around without gear; but how do you think this ties into the grand scheme of things?

http://www.cdc.gov/Features/Uninsured
http://www.cdc.gov/Features/Uninsured/Uninsured_250px.jpg

If we take a pitiful 2% of adults in the US and say they ride motorcycles.

That is 73,000 adults in the US riding bikes without health insurance.

So from there lets say that only 5% of them go down and have suffered severe trauma and need to visit the ER.

Thats 3,650 people that will be laying on a table in an ER with no insurance.

Again we'll round way way down and say that a visit(s) to the hospital is only $20,000

Thats $73,000,000 that comes from where?

:thinking:

[Monkey Wrench]

Rats.... I knew I forgot something in that rant!

Well, in the "Grand Sceme of Things", and in the example you suggest, Motorcycle Accidents (even if set at 5% in your example) really don't result in a catostrophic burdon on an already lopsided Health Care System. In other words, even if there were no more Rider Related Visits to any Emergency Rooms (all Bikes disappeared off the Planet tomorrow), the remaining drain on that System would still sink it, irregardless.
This aspect of the "Riding Gear Issue" really does become somewhat Political, and certainly Statistical, in an area that is fully unresolved within our Society as a whole, which is not based upon, nor can be blamed upon, Motorcycle Riders, whether Full Dressed/Insured, or not.
This opinion coming from someone who has never had Health Insurance, and successfully raised four Children without it (an expensive venture I might add!). However, I always maintain Cycle Insurance (which has Uninsured Motorist/Injury), and wear Gear in an effort to protect myself.
With this in mind, the majority of strain on the Health Care System is the result of people in general who can't afford to pay for services rendered, and is largely made up of Families with Children... not Motorcycle Riders.

I don't have Stats to show, although I feel rather confident that in the "overall", Motorcycle Accidents are not the leading cause of visits to the Hospital for persons who are uninsured.
In additon, I have Full Gear, and no Health Insurance. How many of us are in that situation as a whole? Do you see how this can get rather complicated to sort out?
Point being: Getting everyone to wear Gear will not make that much of a dent in the "Grand Sceme of Things", and even when you take the astronomical figure of $73 Million, it is really just a single drop in a bucket of debt, and poor social structure, incorporated into the fabric of this country. This aspect is something that everyone (as a Citizen) has to burbon as a whole, shouldering as well the members of this Society that are unable to do for themselves. It is (unfortunately) an aspect of our Free Market/Democratic Infrustructure.

As a rather harsh Footnote (although a realistic perspective), to this whole thing, lets all keep focused on staying safe while riding, while promoting proper gear, and hope that those who fail to do so out of shear stupidity at least have Cycle Insurance, and don't have Children before they are removed from the Gene Pool. You can't save everyone, and that is a fact.

[Flyte Risk]

and even when you take the astronomical figure of $73 Million, it is really just a single drop in a bucket of debt, and poor social structure, incorporated into the fabric of this country. This aspect is something that everyone (as a Citizen) has to burbon as a whole, shouldering as well the members of this Society that are unable to do for themselves.

While I believe in doing my part due to the current economy can I just beer it?



As a rather harsh Footnote

You call that harsh?

Lets face it, you can't fix stupid. If the current crop of inbred wastes of space and oxygen want to ride above their skill level improperly attired let them. I just make it a point not to ride with them. I've played medic more then my share of times, usually to the stereo typical idiot that we were or are discussing. I now have to ask myself WTF was I thinking? You know what, if you want to ride without gear just do the riding community a favor, when you go down polease throw youself under the bike. You may be able to protect the part I need for mine.

One other little fact:
As most know when had my get off I was wearing my jeans. Had I been wearing my armored leather pants my injuries would have been substantially less. Leather in and of itself will not protect from impact, CE armor inside that same leather garment will help absorb the impact lessening the injuries.

[Monkey Wrench]

While I believe in doing my part due to the current economy can I just beer it?

By all means... Beer it! Burbon is over rated anyway...

You call that harsh?

I was trying to go easy on it, for those still stuck on the Family Channel Mentality. I fully concure with your outlook on it all.

And CE really is the way to go, as Leather is just an extra dead layer of hide over your own.

Thanks Flyte Risk!:thumbup::ride:

[Flyte Risk]

I can assure you that no one here has anything close to a "Family channel mentality". Those who did didn't last very long.

[Jane Honda]

If I would have had full gear, leathers, armour and all, I wouldn't have had a million dollar medical bill.


No, seriously, it was just slightly over a million dollars.

[orion15220]

you have a million dollar "vet" bill? Who did you get "tutored" :(

[Jane Honda]

you have a million dollar "vet" bill? Who did you get "tutored" :(


OMG, I meant to type in medical. :spitwater:



Methinks I need to not visit the horse forum so much? :thinking:

[Flyte Risk]

You got treated in Eugene and McMinnville. I think you got it right the first time.

[orion15220]

ok just checking

[JonXX]

Hey Flyte - you think it's bad around here?

Go ride around the Dallas-Fort Worth area.

OH MY FUCKING GAWD.

Teeny boppers on Busa's wearing - yes this is all - sandals and cargo shorts. His girlfriend is wearing that plus an athletic top. And of course they're RIPPING down the freeway, pulling power wheelies, etc...It absolutely FLOORS me whenever I go down there. Hell it takes me a long time to get used to being in states without helmet laws (which I disagree with personally, though I'd never ride without one) and seeing people not wearing them.

["b"]

First of all, wtf is an atgatt? :impaired:

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[mfrankpdx]

ATGATT people never seem to get tired of telling others how to live their lives.

The only piece of equipment that is mandatory for me is a helmet. It's the only piece of equipment that is effective in preventing death.

[Jane Honda]

ATGATT people never seem to get tired of telling others how to live their lives.

The only piece of equipment that is mandatory for me is a helmet. It's the only piece of equipment that is effective in preventing death.



You can go hang out at PNW where the squid abound.



You know how we feel over here, yet you keep coming over to stir the pot.

[Flyte Risk]

You know how we feel over here, yet you keep coming over to stir the pot.
I'll add that if you continue to stir the pot for your entertainment you may not be able to log in again.... ever.

[TOM-CAT]

ATGATT people never seem to get tired of telling others how to live their lives.

Since it will be my tax dollars that will be paying for the extended care of an under-protected rider, who can not afford the MILLIONS of dollars it will cost to take care of them for the rest of their life, YES I should get a say in what they HAVE to wear when they ride. If the rider wants to sign a contract with the government, stating that the government does not have to pay :2cents: for medical care, should the rider get injured, then fine, wear a shower cap for all I care.


The only piece of equipment that is mandatory for me is a helmet. It's the only piece of equipment that is effective in preventing death.

Wow, there are so many things wrong with that statement, where to start. How about the part were helmets don't prevent death, they reduce the injures that contribute to death, and death like symptoms. Furthermore, by your logic, only head-trauma contributes to death. Since only equipment designed to reduce head-trauma can 'prevent' death.

So what about the medial condition known as shock. Where a victim dies as a result of overwhelming stress on the circulatory system. Say as a result of having a majority of the flesh ripped from their body, exposing millions of sensitive nerve endings. Not to mention the high likelihood of mass infection in the exposed wounds.

There can be more than two outcomes to a motorcycle crash, not just whether you live or die. Every piece of protective equipment serves to reduce the extent of injuries sustained in a crash.

If you don't care about keeping all of your fingers, don't wear gloves. If you don't care about ending up in a wheel chair, don't wear a spine protector. If you don't care about receiving mangled limbs, don't wear a jacket or pants. If you don't care about walking with a limp for the rest of your life, don't wear boots.

Do the math people. Humans are capable of running around 20 mph. Obviously, our bodies were/are not designed to withstand the forces sustained in a motorcycle crash.

Don't become a statistic, where your gear ALL THE TIME.

:2cents:

Happy riding. :ride:

[KnightReiteR]

ATGATT people never seem to get tired of telling others how to live their lives.

The only piece of equipment that is mandatory for me is a helmet. It's the only piece of equipment that is effective in preventing death.

I agree with Tom-Cat. Go for it mfrankpdx. Just do us all a favor and aim for a tree when you need to bail out. We dont need your awesome intellectual decision making on the roads to contribute to the already crappy reputation of a motorcyclist. Guaranteed that you will most likely jump into the oncoming traffic based on the logic you provided us with your posts.

Oh and if you do crash and survive, have fun growing back your skin. Skin grafts look like a very pleasant experience.

[Jane Honda]

Since it will be my tax dollars that will be paying for the extended care of an under-protected rider, who can not afford the MILLIONS of dollars it will cost to take care of them for the rest of their life, YES I should get a say in what they HAVE to wear when they ride. If the rider wants to sign a contract with the government, stating that the government does not have to pay :2cents: for medical care, should the rider get injured, then fine, wear a shower cap for all I care.



I can personally attest to these statements contributed by Tom. My total cost of medical alone was over 1 million dollars. Yes, the state picked up the tab.



Wow, there are so many things wrong with that statement, where to start. How about the part were helmets don't prevent death, they reduce the injures that contribute to death, and death like symptoms. Furthermore, by your logic, only head-trauma contributes to death. Since only equipment designed to reduce head-trauma can 'prevent' death.

So what about the medial condition known as shock. Where a victim dies as a result of overwhelming stress on the circulatory system. Say as a result of having a majority of the flesh ripped from their body, exposing millions of sensitive nerve endings. Not to mention the high likelihood of mass infection in the exposed wounds.



This is true as well. Skin ground off your body invites a huge amount of secondary situations that have to be dealt with, as well as being excruciatingly painful; they also take a HUGE amount of time to recover from. Making you a burden to your family.


There can be more than two outcomes to a motorcycle crash, not just whether you live or die. Every piece of protective equipment serves to reduce the extent of injuries sustained in a crash.

If you don't care about keeping all of your fingers, don't wear gloves. If you don't care about ending up in a wheel chair, don't wear a spine protector. If you don't care about receiving mangled limbs, don't wear a jacket or pants. If you don't care about walking with a limp for the rest of your life, don't wear boots.



I wore summer time motorcycle gloves and had to have extensive surgery to repair my hand. I almost lost my middle finger on my left hand.


Do the math people. Humans are capable of running around 20 mph. Obviously, our bodies were/are not designed to withstand the forces sustained in a motorcycle crash.

Don't become a statistic, where your gear ALL THE TIME.

:2cents:

Happy riding. :ride:



:rad: Tom!


I no longer ride even to the end of my driveway without being fully geared up. I do not want to burden others with injuries that could have been prevented. I also do not want to be a statistic of the state living off of disability, or being in a stiffened body due to being a paraplegic.

[MA$TER_E]

Nuf said...

[JonXX]

The only piece of equipment that is mandatory for me is a helmet. It's the only piece of equipment that is effective in preventing death.

I strongly disagree.

But isn't it great that you can have one position and I can have another, and we can both freely express them (for another year or two anyway)?

[mfrankpdx]

Nuf said...

You can go hang out at PNW where the squid abound.

You know how we feel over here, yet you keep coming over to stir the pot.

I'm not trying to stir the pot. I'm expressing my opinion. I guess you wouldn't benefit from having individuals that differ from you on this site. Group think ftw!

Since it will be my tax dollars that will be paying for the extended care of an under-protected rider, who can not afford the MILLIONS of dollars it will cost to take care of them for the rest of their life, YES I should get a say in what they HAVE to wear when they ride. If the rider wants to sign a contract with the government, stating that the government does not have to pay :2cents: for medical care, should the rider get injured, then fine, wear a shower cap for all I care.

It's all about risk management. Requiring everyone to wear gear isn't going to save you any tax money at all. In fact, I bet it would just cost you more. Ever think about what the cost of legislating and enforcing that might be? Rather than be a gear nazi, why don't you encourage education? An educated person only rides at 9/10ths on the track, rides a max of 1/2 on the street, and when cruising down to the post office in a t-shirt, rides at 1/100th. When 1% of your attention is needed to operate the controls of a motorcycle the remaining 99% can be paid to the riders surroundings, and the dangers that lie in it. I happen to be an educated rider. I know the stats, the hurt report, all that stuff, and I ride accordingly, and gear up accordingly. You won't see me carving the canyons in anything less than full leather. But if you're going to sit there and insist I'm putting myself and your tax dollars in peril when I ride to school in jeans and a t-shirt, I'll tell you strait up... you're full of it.

Wow, there are so many things wrong with that statement, where to start. How about the part were helmets don't prevent death, they reduce the injures that contribute to death, and death like symptoms. Furthermore, by your logic, only head-trauma contributes to death. Since only equipment designed to reduce head-trauma can 'prevent' death.

So what about the medial condition known as shock. Where a victim dies as a result of overwhelming stress on the circulatory system. Say as a result of having a majority of the flesh ripped from their body, exposing millions of sensitive nerve endings. Not to mention the high likelihood of mass infection in the exposed wounds.

There can be more than two outcomes to a motorcycle crash, not just whether you live or die. Every piece of protective equipment serves to reduce the extent of injuries sustained in a crash.

If you don't care about keeping all of your fingers, don't wear gloves. If you don't care about ending up in a wheel chair, don't wear a spine protector. If you don't care about receiving mangled limbs, don't wear a jacket or pants. If you don't care about walking with a limp for the rest of your life, don't wear boots.

Do the math people. Humans are capable of running around 20 mph. Obviously, our bodies were/are not designed to withstand the forces sustained in a motorcycle crash.

Don't become a statistic, where your gear ALL THE TIME.

:2cents:

Happy riding. :ride:

Again, see what I said above. If I'm going to die in a crash, leather ain't gonna help. You can talk about shock all you want, but the fact is I won't lose enough skin to go in shock if I'm riding without leather. Why? Just re-read what I wrote. I'm not Mr. 9/10ths on the street in a t-shirt. I'm not even Mr. 1/2 on the street in a t-shirt. A helmet is the only thing that would prevent my death in a crash where I would have died had I been without one. That's a better way for me to say what I meant about helmets.

I agree with Tom-Cat. Go for it mfrankpdx. Just do us all a favor and aim for a tree when you need to bail out. We dont need your awesome intellectual decision making on the roads to contribute to the already crappy reputation of a motorcyclist. Guaranteed that you will most likely jump into the oncoming traffic based on the logic you provided us with your posts.

Oh and if you do crash and survive, have fun growing back your skin. Skin grafts look like a very pleasant experience.

I have crashed, 4 times as a matter of fact. Totaled 2 bikes. And guess what? Every time it was in full gear, leathers, boots, back protector etc. Every time I walked away without a scratch. I wonder how I know when it's appropriate to ride in a t-shirt? Probably when I ride at 1% my ability. Can I crash at 1%? Yes. Will gear lessen my injuries? Probably. But I guarantee the people you should spend your time worrying about are the morons out there in full gear riding at 9/10ths on the street. And I guarantee there are some on this site, all of which you give your almighty approval to because they routinely spout the idiotic mantra of atgatt.

So my basic premise is this:

Don't judge someone because they don't choose atgatt. You've got people out there all geared up riding like total idiots who are at much higher risk than I am riding in a t-shirt. The whole black and white mentality of "atgatt is good, not atgatt is bad" is just plain stupid. I know because I used to have that mentality.

But hey, I'm not an atgatt person, so I guess that makes me an easy target. Go ahead, fire away... no skin off my back! (pun intended).

[MA$TER_E]

Dear Everybody,

Talking about Gear is like talking about Politics or Religion... Everyone has a solution and everyone is a hypocrite...

I'm an atgatt squid...

That is all...

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm287/land6266/Public%20Share/argue.jpg

[Jane Honda]

Are you calling me names??? :bring:









:haha:












Wanna fight about it? I know where you live, Mister!:naughty:

[JonXX]

http://www.jonscottvisual.com/postings/crap/argument.jpg

[YAMR6]

Look, over there, a kittie cat!!

[KnightReiteR]

http://www.codeodor.com/images/turd.png

[volvo700]

Are you calling me names??? :bring:



Wanna fight about it? I know where you live, Mister!:naughty:



:whipit:lol::popcorn:

[volvo700]

Dear Everybody,

Talking about Gear is like talking about Politics or Religion... Everyone has a solution and everyone is a hypocrite...

I'm an atgatt squid...

That is all...

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm287/land6266/Public%20Share/argue.jpg


:popcorn::popcorn:

[YAMR6]

http://www.codeodor.com/images/turd.png


Nothing beats a steaming pile of poo!!

[KnightReiteR]

Nothing beats a steaming pile of poo!!

True dat...

[MA$TER_E]

:werd:

[ringleader]

THIS is the ONLY site :)

you see the shit move from page to page.

[TOM-CAT]

...Again, see what I said above. If I'm going to die in a crash, leather ain't gonna help. You can talk about shock all you want, but the fact is I won't lose enough skin to go in shock if I'm riding without leather. Why? Just re-read what I wrote. I'm not Mr. 9/10ths on the street in a t-shirt. I'm not even Mr. 1/2 on the street in a t-shirt. A helmet is the only thing that would prevent my death in a crash where I would have died had I been without one. That's a better way for me to say what I meant about helmets...

The fact is you are making statements that are not based on facts.

Just Google 'motorcyclist dragged to death' and see how many stories you find. Just because your momentum at the time of impact isn't enough to cause you to slide a lengthy distance, doesn't mean you can't be dragged under a car/truck/bus/horse-drawn-chariot/etc. Unless you called the Psychic Friends Network, and they have already informed you which rides you need to be wearing full gear, there is NO WAY you can know when gear could be required to prevent death.

What does that mean, 'I only ride at 1% on the way to school'? So if your bike has a top speed of 170 MPH you only ride at 1.7 MPH on the way there? Last time I checked road rash doesn't depend on how hard you were trying at the time of the crash. It does have a lot to do with the speed you were going, circumstances of the crash, and the amount of protective gear you were wearing at the time of the crash.

Straight up, these are not meant to be taken as personal attacks against you (at least not from me). I do not disagree with most of what you are saying. You have made many valid points, about the risks that riders take, whether geared up or not. I am only debating the accuracy of your statements, as they pertain to the protective abilities of purpose built motorcycle gear.

:2cents:

[sanfret]

You guys should watch this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-CcZ97zodQ if someone like Keith can be taken by a pickup truck any of us can.

He left such a huge hole, in hearts and in the NW racing community.

[KnightReiteR]

:2cents:

=

total value of that guy's brain on the black market
:moon:

[JonXX]

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[Jane Honda]

:unsure:

[MarinesBiatch]

Wow. That. Is. Gross.