Wach out for people walking across the street

[ordiscokid]

I got a ticket in Lincon City from a city cop for failing to give right of way to some old lady who was crossing the street. $242. Tried to fight it but I think the cop is in bed with the Judge....IT BLOWS!!!!! :vomit:

[Rex Raider]

in heavy traffic i'd think twice before yielding right of way, you can get hit from behind. but in light or no traffic give the young & invincible and the old & feeble people the right of way.

[ordiscokid]

I agree 100% it was in traffic in a long sweeping corner and she was over half way into the next lane but you have to give a full lane to be legal.

[Rex Raider]

the cross walk rule is in affect even if there is no cross walk, i give a full lane and call it good but the law is if i'm not mistaken you must wate till they reach the other side of the road. witch is vary dangerous when your on a bike in the middle of a intersection or in your case rounding a sweeping corner. . but a $200+ ticket, oww :wtf:

[volvo700]

the police needs to be equal in givin away tickets, some pedestrians are so rude want proof?, well in the corner of interstate ave and lombard st in north portland these folks are the biggest as****s in the planet, they don't know what red and green lights means they walk like is nothing in there and if you said something you are the jerk i see so many times close calls with the Max train vs pedestrians even with the big signs like do not walk in red light these morons still walking ignoring the warning signs, still Trimet is doing nothing to control this crap they used to have security there but " Trimet is in a budget" yeah right just wait and see if some pedestrian get hit by the train is goin to be a big lawsuit filed against Trimet, the city of Portland and even portland police mark my words, by the way if you have a chance drive by and see it with your own eyes

[volvo700]

and don't get me started with those idiots in bicycles they need to get educated in sharing the road not owning the road

[volvo700]

ya me encabrone (im pissed off right now)


:yell:

[TOM-CAT]

There have been a number of highly publicized cases in the last few years of police running stings, were undercover cops would post up and walk out into traffic and see if the traffic would yield to the ped. Well needless to say a lot of cars don't yield and they get popped with fat tickets...:(

But some ppl are totally oblivious to peds., so these enforcement efforts are not entirely uncalled for. But I think it is rediculous to require drivers to wait till the ped. clears the street before moving through the intersection.:rolleyes:

[ordiscokid]

I am everyones most hated person on the road! I drive a big truck for a living halling nasty chemicals! I ride a bicycle to stay in shape! and I spend most of the rest of my time on my SV! I thought I had heard that there was a 4 foot rule but that must be in wasghingting to cali or something but is sure the hell is not in oregon!

[Flyte Risk]

the police needs to be equal in givin away tickets, some pedestrians are so rude want proof?, well in the corner of interstate ave and lombard st in north portland these folks are the biggest as****s in the planet, they don't know what red and green lights means they walk like is nothing in there and if you said something you are the jerk i see so many times close calls with the Max train vs pedestrians even with the big signs like do not walk in red light these morons still walking ignoring the warning signs, still Trimet is doing nothing to control this crap they used to have security there but " Trimet is in a budget" yeah right just wait and see if some pedestrian get hit by the train is goin to be a big lawsuit filed against Trimet, the city of Portland and even portland police mark my words, by the way if you have a chance drive by and see it with your own eyes

Sounds like a topic for a "letter to the editor" of the Oregonian rather then a rant in a motorcycle forum :thinking:

[volvo700]

Sounds like a topic for a "letter to the editor" of the Oregonian rather then a rant in a motorcycle forum :thinking:


:lol: good point but i dont read the oregonian :haha:

[CopperSV1]

Law is now your lane plus one more. If it is two lane road, you are stuck waiting for ped to cross the complete road. If it is three, four or more, your lane and one more lane and you should be good to go!

[Drakhen]

Ok, I've only lived here for 10 months or so, so I'm curious about something:

did the pedestrians here start crossing the streets without looking AFTER the laws "protecting" them went into effect, or were the laws put into effect because they were already crossing without looking?

[ordiscokid]

I am not sure what started the ped laws around here

[DFinch]

Activism, and the money generated by it.

Look at the new "vulnerable user of a right of way" law, that enhances penalties against drivers who injure or kill "vulnerable" users of the roadways.

Pedestrians? Yep.
Bicyclists? Yep.
Skateboarders? Yep.
Roller Skaters? Yep.
Inline Skaters? Yep.
Horseback Riders? Yep.
Persons Driving a Tractor or ATV Registered as a 'Farm Vehicle'? Yep.

Motorcyclist? NOPE.
Scooter Rider? NOPE.

[Drakhen]

I'm not really sure they're using that law to do anything for bicyclists. There was one who was recently killed by a completely negligent driver, and I think she's walking away with $1200 in fines.

If THAT is what they call "enhancement," then the new law is utterly useless.

[MarineHawk]

Actually, on top of the "lane +/- 1" law (no yield until within 1 lane of yours and after 1 lane of leaving) that is only if it is a marked crosswalk. All unmarked crosswalks (which includes -any- intersection), you are required to yield the entire road, until they are completely across. At least, this is what I got a lecture on. ;)

[Drakhen]

So Paul, what they're telling you is that if a person in jaywalking, they have more legal protection than if they cross the street in the correct location?

That's f*ct.

[DFinch]

Technically, no. Jaywalking is defined as crossing in between intersections, or crossing at other than a right angle across an intersection.

What changed with the law is that at an intersection, there does not have to be an actual crosswalk painted on the road to give the pedestrian the right of way...they get it anyway...at any intersection.

It also provided a "buffer" zone of one lane to peds crossing the street, to keep cars from buzzing by them too closely as they're crossing.

The change was poorly thought out and is, frankly, dangerous. Last session the Legislature tried to correct some of the consequences to the changes, but haven't done enough on it so far.

Downtown, following the law, you could never legally turn a corner because of the constant flow of peds and the added buffer zone.

With a Tri-Met stop at almost every corner on a route, you'd have to stop at every intersection to make sure that the person who is probably waiting for the bus isn't really standing there trying to cross the street.

At mid-block crosswalks with multiple lanes of travel (there are several on NE MLK and the infamous sting location in Beaverton on Hall just north of Allen), the far lane can't see the pedestrian, typically doesn't know why the other lane is suddenly stopping, and it is a prime setup for the ped to get hit as they cross with their view blocked by the near stopped lane.

Cars that yield to mid-block crosswalks or unmarked intersections create a surprise for all traffic behind, often resulting in slammed brakes and rear-end accidents.

It creates chaos in a situation easily remedied by the ped simply waiting for a break in traffic to cross.

The last proposal by the legislature was to change it so that a ped would have to raise his/her hand to indicate the intention to cross, at which point traffic would be obligated to yield. At least that's a start and gives everyone some warning.

[Drakhen]

It creates chaos in a situation easily remedied by the ped simply waiting for a break in traffic to cross.

If pedestrians would just do that, there probably wouldn't need to be all these laws in the first place, but that would be too much to ask.

[kumaclimber]

i should drive a snow blower then some idiot ped will think twice and if they dont then it removes the evidence you hit someone. Like a big wood chipper